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		<title>Comment on FLASH Websites&#8230; Riding the FAIL WHALE! by Cris Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2010/01/10/flash-websites-riding-the-fail-whale/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Cris Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff,
Thanks for the well thought out comment and let me first say I'm a fan of your work and the CameraPosition podcast you run.

I'll address your points below.

1. Accessibility for me goes beyond the installation of the Flash plugin, it enters into the realm of alienating a group of people with disabilities whom for what ever reason have special browser needs which Flash doesn't support. Again anytime you create a Barrier to Entry you run the risk of losing a job or sale. Granted I know that most users will have the flash player installed.

2. You can achieve this with other non flash and more compliant technologies such as ajax etc...

3.  We are on the same page with this one.

4. Same Page

5. I'm not 100% convinced that live books and others are giving a fair assessment of how well their sites can be SEO'd. And I'm certain that it's no where near the level that you can with other platforms like wordpress, joomla and others.

To add another layer of complexity to all of this, Google has set in motion a new set of initiatives for 2010 and that is Website size is now going to play a factor in search engine ranking. If this happens sites that are under 20k are going to rise to the top and all the bloated flash sites are going to fall off the map.

Just something to think about.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your insight.

Keep up the great work with your podcast.

Cris...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff,<br />
Thanks for the well thought out comment and let me first say I&#8217;m a fan of your work and the CameraPosition podcast you run.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll address your points below.</p>
<p>1. Accessibility for me goes beyond the installation of the Flash plugin, it enters into the realm of alienating a group of people with disabilities whom for what ever reason have special browser needs which Flash doesn&#8217;t support. Again anytime you create a Barrier to Entry you run the risk of losing a job or sale. Granted I know that most users will have the flash player installed.</p>
<p>2. You can achieve this with other non flash and more compliant technologies such as ajax etc&#8230;</p>
<p>3.  We are on the same page with this one.</p>
<p>4. Same Page</p>
<p>5. I&#8217;m not 100% convinced that live books and others are giving a fair assessment of how well their sites can be SEO&#8217;d. And I&#8217;m certain that it&#8217;s no where near the level that you can with other platforms like wordpress, joomla and others.</p>
<p>To add another layer of complexity to all of this, Google has set in motion a new set of initiatives for 2010 and that is Website size is now going to play a factor in search engine ranking. If this happens sites that are under 20k are going to rise to the top and all the bloated flash sites are going to fall off the map.</p>
<p>Just something to think about.</p>
<p>Thanks again for taking the time to share your insight.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work with your podcast.</p>
<p>Cris&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLASH Websites&#8230; Riding the FAIL WHALE! by Jeff Curto</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2010/01/10/flash-websites-riding-the-fail-whale/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Curto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK... Let me offer some counterpoint:

1) Audience and accessibility. Find me a currently shipping browser that doesn't have the flash plugin installed when you install the browser. Part 2 of this is... find me a potential client who isn't using a reasonably current browser. Can people in small villages in 3rd world countries see flash websites? No, but they also aren't likely to be my audience/customer/client. 

2) Agreed that "whiz-bang" isn't important; images are. But, what Flash sites often offer is the ability to have images that are nice and big and scale with browser size.

3) You're right that Flash sites are hard to update unless... unless you go with one of the high-quality commercial sites that are out there... LiveBooks, ZenFolio or Visual Server. Then, it's easy. I always advise photographers who don't want to monkey around with "learning how to 'do' the web" to buy into one of these turnkey situations. It's fast, it's easy and it works.

4) Totally right-on with this one. Mystery nav is no fun and bookmarking individual images/pages on a flash site is impossible. 

5) Search. The big dog players in the Flash arena like LiveBooks have this nailed. They've spent a lot of time solving the problem of Flash vs. search. See:
http://www.livebooks.com/features-tour/overview#navbar=13

So... I'm not sayin' you're wrong here, but just that a lot of the problems have been solved. I'll also say that I've mentioned LiveBooks a couple of times but I don't work for them, just in case someone thinks I'm trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230; Let me offer some counterpoint:</p>
<p>1) Audience and accessibility. Find me a currently shipping browser that doesn&#8217;t have the flash plugin installed when you install the browser. Part 2 of this is&#8230; find me a potential client who isn&#8217;t using a reasonably current browser. Can people in small villages in 3rd world countries see flash websites? No, but they also aren&#8217;t likely to be my audience/customer/client. </p>
<p>2) Agreed that &#8220;whiz-bang&#8221; isn&#8217;t important; images are. But, what Flash sites often offer is the ability to have images that are nice and big and scale with browser size.</p>
<p>3) You&#8217;re right that Flash sites are hard to update unless&#8230; unless you go with one of the high-quality commercial sites that are out there&#8230; LiveBooks, ZenFolio or Visual Server. Then, it&#8217;s easy. I always advise photographers who don&#8217;t want to monkey around with &#8220;learning how to &#8216;do&#8217; the web&#8221; to buy into one of these turnkey situations. It&#8217;s fast, it&#8217;s easy and it works.</p>
<p>4) Totally right-on with this one. Mystery nav is no fun and bookmarking individual images/pages on a flash site is impossible. </p>
<p>5) Search. The big dog players in the Flash arena like LiveBooks have this nailed. They&#8217;ve spent a lot of time solving the problem of Flash vs. search. See:<br />
<a href="http://www.livebooks.com/features-tour/overview#navbar=13" rel="nofollow">http://www.livebooks.com/features-tour/overview#navbar=13</a></p>
<p>So&#8230; I&#8217;m not sayin&#8217; you&#8217;re wrong here, but just that a lot of the problems have been solved. I&#8217;ll also say that I&#8217;ve mentioned LiveBooks a couple of times but I don&#8217;t work for them, just in case someone thinks I&#8217;m trolling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLASH Websites&#8230; Riding the FAIL WHALE! by Matthew McMullen Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2010/01/10/flash-websites-riding-the-fail-whale/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew McMullen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another huge consideration is more and more people are using mobile devices such as the iPhone which do not support Flash yet. I hate when I learn about a photographer and search on my iPhone to find an all flash site I can't see. That's a huge FAIL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another huge consideration is more and more people are using mobile devices such as the iPhone which do not support Flash yet. I hate when I learn about a photographer and search on my iPhone to find an all flash site I can&#8217;t see. That&#8217;s a huge FAIL.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLASH Websites&#8230; Riding the FAIL WHALE! by Cris Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2010/01/10/flash-websites-riding-the-fail-whale/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Cris Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh what's easier than managing 1 flash site managing an HTML site on top of it HAHA.

I agree SlideShowPro ROCKS but again it's what i consider a web application and is tightly integrated with a php/mysql backend for easily managing your galleries. This is a perfect marriage and example of Flash and the web.

Cris...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh what&#8217;s easier than managing 1 flash site managing an HTML site on top of it HAHA.</p>
<p>I agree SlideShowPro ROCKS but again it&#8217;s what i consider a web application and is tightly integrated with a php/mysql backend for easily managing your galleries. This is a perfect marriage and example of Flash and the web.</p>
<p>Cris&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLASH Websites&#8230; Riding the FAIL WHALE! by Don Giannatti</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2010/01/10/flash-websites-riding-the-fail-whale/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Giannatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right, Cris. I am always going crazy when I try to explain all that is wrong with Flash as a platform for the site. Hey, I don't mind flash portfolio sections. SlideShowPro is one of my favorites... but it is only for the images. The rest of the site MUST be searchable... and beyond that, it has to be friendly, navigable, and interactive.

To those who think that interaction means watching the words slide around... WRONG. It means that the visitor can interact with the site and the photographer. Non interactive sites are like showing your book to an AD while you are on your cell phone with a finger to your lips telling them to keep quiet.

I want to invite dialogue and comments and the ability to share. 

Flash allows little of that along with the non-SEO reality. And when I hear people say "Oh, we got an HTML site running to allow for that..." well, I just smile. Sure you do. And sure it does.

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right, Cris. I am always going crazy when I try to explain all that is wrong with Flash as a platform for the site. Hey, I don&#8217;t mind flash portfolio sections. SlideShowPro is one of my favorites&#8230; but it is only for the images. The rest of the site MUST be searchable&#8230; and beyond that, it has to be friendly, navigable, and interactive.</p>
<p>To those who think that interaction means watching the words slide around&#8230; WRONG. It means that the visitor can interact with the site and the photographer. Non interactive sites are like showing your book to an AD while you are on your cell phone with a finger to your lips telling them to keep quiet.</p>
<p>I want to invite dialogue and comments and the ability to share. </p>
<p>Flash allows little of that along with the non-SEO reality. And when I hear people say &#8220;Oh, we got an HTML site running to allow for that&#8230;&#8221; well, I just smile. Sure you do. And sure it does.</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Card 2.0 by andi romansy</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/02/06/business-card-20/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>andi romansy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ini sangat menarik. Saya senang untuk mengunjungi situs ini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ini sangat menarik. Saya senang untuk mengunjungi situs ini.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Photography Websites - What Every Photographer Needs to Know by Michael Domingo</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/04/29/photography-websites-what-every-photographer-needs-to-know/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Domingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is acceptable in terms of seo. Naught seems to bother against it than this!This is just was warned about several years prior at the last internet about search engine optimization in 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is acceptable in terms of seo. Naught seems to bother against it than this!This is just was warned about several years prior at the last internet about search engine optimization in 1993.</p>
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		<title>Comment on One-Click Ping to Get Your Blog Noticed by Justin Ide</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/04/30/one-click-ping-to-get-your-blog-noticed/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Ide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris ... look forward to more info like this!

JI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris &#8230; look forward to more info like this!</p>
<p>JI</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business Card 2.0 by Stephanie Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/02/06/business-card-20/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this tutorial.  After I signed up I found the site a little tough when it came to figuring out how to actually utilize this tool.
Thanks so much

Stephanie
twitter.com/missgraham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this tutorial.  After I signed up I found the site a little tough when it came to figuring out how to actually utilize this tool.<br />
Thanks so much</p>
<p>Stephanie<br />
twitter.com/missgraham</p>
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		<title>Comment on One-Click Ping to Get Your Blog Noticed by Jason Kirby &#124; San Diego Headshots</title>
		<link>http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/04/30/one-click-ping-to-get-your-blog-noticed/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Kirby &#124; San Diego Headshots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually just started using PingGoat.com about a week ago when a friend recommended it. It has helped a little with traffic, but I still find using twitter to be the most effective</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually just started using PingGoat.com about a week ago when a friend recommended it. It has helped a little with traffic, but I still find using twitter to be the most effective</p>
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